Peplau's Ghost
Psychiatric-Mental Health Nurse Practitioners (PMHNP) discussing using psychotherapy within their practice. Four PMHNP program directors and a biostatistician from across the Unites States sharing their passion on how psychotherapy can help people with nearly all their emotional problems.
Peplau's Ghost
Therapy Flows Like Honey Over a Honeycomb with Shana Trahan
What makes therapy truly effective? Is it the therapist's expertise, the specific methodology, or something else entirely? Shana Trahan brings a refreshing perspective to these questions, drawing from her unique background as a 21-year educator, military officer, and practicing psychotherapist.
From the very beginning of our conversation, Shana's natural ability to connect with others becomes apparent. This innate capacity to create safe spaces for vulnerability has informed her entire approach to therapeutic work. Shana reveals what truly drives therapeutic success: client engagement. "The therapist almost has the easy work," she explains, "it's really about the client being honest, following through on their part, doing that homework, being intentional and consistent."
Shana's commitment to integrative therapy emerges as another cornerstone of her practice. Rather than adhering rigidly to a single methodology, she draws from various evidence-based approaches to meet each client's unique needs. While optimistic about the future of mental healthcare, Shana doesn't shy away from addressing systemic challenges, particularly the disconnection between practitioners and insurance companies that can impede service delivery.
Shana's insights will transform how you engage with your own healing process. Listen now to discover why successful therapy flows "like honey down a honeycomb" when clients fully commit to the work.
Check out Shana's book:Anxiety Fix
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Let’s Connect
Dr Dan Wesemann
Email: daniel-wesemann@uiowa.edu
Website: https://nursing.uiowa.edu/academics/dnp-programs/psych-mental-health-nurse-practitioner
LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/daniel-wesemann
Dr Kate Melino
Email: Katerina.Melino@ucsf.edu
Dr Sean Convoy
Email: sc585@duke.edu
Dr Kendra Delany
Email: Kendra@empowered-heart.com
Dr Melissa Chapman
Email: mchapman@pdastats.com
Yeah, just my take on things. My answer number two All right, thank you for recording. Welcome everybody. Decrease until they cease. Stop out of discovery. Identify a challenge in your beliefs.
Speaker 2:All right, think we're recording. Welcome everybody. Another wonderful guest here for our podcast, pep Lau's Ghost. So thank you so much. And I'm really thrilled to introduce Shanna Trahan to our podcast here and she's laughing at me because we've been practicing this and I probably butchered it again but anyways, I'm super excited to introduce her. She's such a wonderful person and I just got to know her real quick. This is one of those things I've really found to be really a benefit of having this podcast is that I'm meeting wonderful people from all across the country and the world and getting to share a little bit of their excitement about doing psychotherapy and how they kind of help the next generation, which hopefully this episode will do as well. So Shanna is going to be.
Speaker 2:I'm just going to give her a quick introduction. She didn't want to do this herself. She's a little modest, which is great. I think we're all kind of a little modest and we have lots to brag about ourselves, but she is a 21-year educator. She's from Louisiana, which I actually just saw on the news. This will probably date the podcast, but I think New Orleans, yeah, is just celebrating. I don't know if celebrating it's putting a milestone or at least remembering 20 years since Katrina today, so quite a thing, yeah. So maybe we'll get into that a little bit later.
Speaker 2:She was, or is, a second Lieutenant in the US Army National Guard, so thank you for your service. Appreciate that A lot of veterans come through this podcast. So myself as well. I've enlisted in the army right out of high school and a couple of our co-hosts have served in the military too. So thank you again.
Speaker 2:Tried to narrow her down what profession she is. She's done so many things. She's been in the hospital in so many different roles been a patient care tech, phlebotomist, worked with people who are getting ECT treatments and other things like that as well. So also in management roles and such as well. But the thing I really want to kind of get excited about and really kind of highlight is that she just published a book Anxiety Fix Book and that came out in June of 2025. So go on Amazon right now, find it. There'll be a link in the podcast to get that. So, again, very excited to have Shanna into the podcast as well here. So yeah, I don't know it's something I'm blocking there, but let's get into it. Maybe she can mess my name up a couple of times too. That would be just a fair playback. But let me kind of start us off with a question when did you get interested in doing psychotherapy? Start us off with a question when?
Speaker 3:did you get interested in doing psychotherapy? Well, thank you for that question and thank you for allowing me to be here. Daniel, you know, the way that we met was very, I would say, probably. I mean I've never written anybody before like that and so I mean I've never. So, yeah, so thank you, Thank you for allowing this opportunity. So I think, Can you?
Speaker 2:actually I'm sorry maybe I jumped right in Can you share a little bit with the audience about what? What prompted you to because this was just kind of a random email to a part of I believe it was an article that that we wrote here and you had some questions about that article. So what? What drew you to kind of pick up the pen not the really a pen and pick up the email and send an email to us?
Speaker 3:For sure. So, yeah, I was reading it was kind of late one night and I was reading this article about nurse practitioners and whether or not they should do actual therapy as opposed to mostly medication management, and so I am a preceptor for nurse practitioner students across the country, and so as I read that then I was thinking about my experiences with nurses that I've, I guess, if you want to say, taught, and so, yeah, so it was interesting to me and I just decided to ask a couple of questions, because you know, I'm always seeking to understand other people's experiences and perspectives and things like that. So, yes, I wrote Daniel and see, I didn't mess up your name and I wrote Daniel and he responded. I was like, oh my God. So then we started just kind of chatting back and forth a little bit and eventually we got to the point where he's like hey, would you be interested in coming to podcast? I have some great questions for you. Okay, that'd be cool. So here we are today.
Speaker 2:That's great. So let me ask the question again, cause I interrupted you. But so when did you get interested in psychotherapy?
Speaker 3:Wow, you know, I've always had an interest in society, you know, uh, the social aspect, and so I would say, as a, as a child, I just was interested in, like when I observed people, their behaviors, their facial expressions, body language, all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3:So as a kid, not really realizing what that meant or what that could translate into when I realized it, I don't know, I guess I guess somewhere like high school college area, I kind of was having ideas about it, but I wasn't sure.
Speaker 3:But I would be the person and this may sound really weird, so let me just preface the statement with that places, like randomly, and you'd see people that seem to be you know well, well, put together and everything, but they would like randomly come up to me and start sharing like stuff and like problems, and I would, and I really I felt really grounded by these moments because one ma'am or sir, you know how do you know to come to me as I mean, I mean, this is pre-therapist, you know role right, pre-therapist licensure but they would just come to me and they would share with me about something going on in their world.
Speaker 3:That may not that it may have been a little problematic, and so I've had several of these instances throughout my life that people would just come and they would just talk to me about it. But even in high school, actually, that I recall, friends would always Shanna, what do you think, shanna? What do you think, shanna, what do you think? And I was like why does what I think matter? You know? So I mean it never. So, anyway, that was my background experience.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's great. I mean that sounds so familiar too. I mean I think you know when especially students or even you know, when I first started practicing as well it just seemed like people who are in this business, that they are just those people Like you sit in a group of people and then all of a sudden you're the person that this person's, you know. Someone come up, a stranger or a friend. All of a sudden they're just, they're sharing their problems with you. It's almost like there's an innate, like you know, just kind of natural type of thing that people feel comfortable with you and feel like they can share kind of those deep, dark secrets to it. So do you remember the first time you actually performed psychotherapy and maybe like a success story or something that really kind of sticks in your head when you think about it or when you're kind of in that educator role, you're thinking about that.
Speaker 3:I'm going to say that that's really a big question. I'll try not to make it too too big. And I would say that because as an educator I've always been holistic, just like I am as a therapist, as a psychotherapist, so always thinking about the mind, body, spirit connection. And so I was a teacher that would stand at the door and the kiddos would kind of walk in past me and I'm observing to see their facial expression, how they're holding their, you know their posture. If they seem like they're sad and I see a problem, hey, come on, you know, you stand to the side, you know. And then I deal with them. Hey, what's going on? So I'd kind of try to help them in that moment. So I believe that I've been doing psychotherapy gosh, without knowing, for a long time.
Speaker 2:But Unbuild time. We'll say unbuild time.
Speaker 3:Unbuild time and insofar as a particular success story.
Speaker 2:So many to choose from?
Speaker 3:yeah, so many you know what yeah but you know, there's, there's something that I that I want to point out, because people looking for therapy should, should understand that this is possible. So I had this one couple who were both like, hey, we want this therapy and therapy. And they also were like, okay, we're ready to. If you say it, we're going to do it because, hey, we want our marriage to work. I tell you, I think I saw them all of five times. It might be a lot, it might've been four, but each time they came in, they took the notes, they understood they, we got found clarity. They took the notes, they understood they, we got found clarity. Everything was. And then I mean session, the last session is like we appreciate you so much. You know, things have been going way better. We both have been staying on point in these areas and without you, we not, we're not sure what we would have done, you know.
Speaker 3:And so, basically, what I'm saying is, as I tell all my clients that, um, the therapist almost has the easy work, it's really about the client being honest, following through on their part, doing that homework, being intentional and consistent. So when, when the clients do that part, I mean it's almost like I don't know if there's a possibility of not being successful. I don't even know if that exists, if they do that part, so yeah, so that one thinking about the four or five sessions, like they were on it and because they were on it, it was just like I don't know, just like honey, you know, flowing down a honeycomb. I mean, it was just so simple and easy and natural. Yeah.
Speaker 2:I think that's the title of our podcast Flowing Down Like a Honeycomb. That's great. I mean, that's a good visual, right? I mean it's so true. I mean it's, and those are those special moments that you know, I think and I hope you know every therapist gets that opportunity to have those kinds of patients, because they come in, they're ready to change, they're ready to change, they're ready to do something, and it's, yeah, anything you can tell them they're going to do and they're going to write those notes, they're going to review those notes and, yeah, it's a really magical and special moment.
Speaker 2:I mean, you're involved in their lives, You're involved with this life-changing event that's happening for them. It's really a privilege. So, yeah, thank you for sharing that. That's really cool. I think you you've kind of hinted at this already, but you know, just to kind of ask the question, you know what forms of therapy or types. You know thinking like, you know CBT or the stuff of things. You know what, what's, what forms of psychotherapy do you kind of get drawn to? And obviously it sounds like it's going to be kind of eclectic here too.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you got it. You got that. You got it right on the head. I think I draw on my strengths as an educator and I've taught general education as well as students with identified needs and special education courses as well, and I've worked with babies all the way to undergrad college level, and what I've learned there in education is that it's so important to, one, meet the kids where they are and, two, sometimes we have to differentiate based upon the requirement or need at the time, and so in therapy, I do integrative therapy, of course, which is a mix of the scientific-based approaches, and so, just as I see that someone needs a little CBT, that's what you applied in the moment, somebody needs a little EMDR. I apply something from there, somebody you know.
Speaker 3:So really, it's not a way of avoiding the question, it is just really who I am as a person, like it's, I've always been holistic and always looking at the different angles that I need to approach things in order to support that person or those people in therapy, ensuring that they get the best of all the worlds. Because if I am just trying to stay in one, and nothing's wrong with this, but if I, for me, personally, if I'm only trying to stay in one lane this. But if I for me personally, if I'm only trying to stay in one lane, then maybe there's some, a strategy that I know that I can employ from a different approach that would be beneficial. And if I don't employ that, does that client get that like they need to in that moment? So that is why I'm such a huge fan of integration and just that way I'm using whatever is needed at that time for that particular person, without trying to stay in one particular lane.
Speaker 2:Love it. Yeah, you know, and that's and that's. I think that is very reasonable. I think that's you know, you get down to it. I think most therapists that's what they're going to tell you in their truly honest moments, right, I mean, people might get a little highfalutin and try and kind of, you know, tap dance around that kind of question. But thank you for being that so blunt and transparent with us too, because I think, again, this is what most people do you take, you know what's evidence-based, but you apply what's needed for the client in that moment.
Speaker 2:So, but it's one of those things that I continue to struggle with a little bit in this idea, especially in my role as an educator. You know, seeing new therapists kind of coming in and wanting to do this kind of work. It does seem like that integrative type of role is more kind of advanced, right. I mean, I think you have to have kind of a foundation of those kind of things. And so, thinking back maybe to your career or you as an educator as well, what was your approach in terms of helping people to kind of move from that kind of novice level to more advanced, to where you can actually start using that integrative type of role? What's your approach or what worked for you? Maybe?
Speaker 3:Okay, so you mentioned in education, so let's go back there. So, yes, so I come from a family of educators and pharmacists and so with that I would say that I've been grading papers since I was probably about six or seven, you know, with all the empathy and concern for humanity or the pharmacy side thinking about. You know just the scientific basis of things that need to be addressed. But I've pretty much, as I recall as a kid, you know, oh, you got a bobo, let me fix it for you. Oh, what's wrong, why are you so sad? You know.
Speaker 3:So, looking just at the different aspects of people, and I believe I've done that for a long time and insofar as the, and I do believe that my training and time in education has definitely helped to inform every aspect and given me practice that I didn't even know that I was going to use as a therapist, now practicing, now with my own license, for eight years, almost eight years, and then before that as a school counselor. So I went through that training as well. So I would say that you know how I do it. I think that that background in education was foundational and the experiences, like I said, from babies I used to have a daycare. So, from babies to college level, general education, special education, verbal, nonverbal, I mean there are so many aspects of what I've had to experience and deal with. Having parent meetings, management meetings, having all those things has helped me to, yeah, naturally integrate the things that I learned at Lamar university in Beaumont, you know, into my practice. So that's been huge and really in informing every aspect of how I move and and I and I would say that if someone came out of I don't know a master's of fine on, a master's in business or something like that, and then switched over into therapy, I would say maybe their life has helped them some.
Speaker 3:But I would say that having that educational background and all the foundation there and then along also with my military background, and the last thing that I did was I was an officer in a clinic out in Springfield, illinois, and there my wonderful colonel she was so wonderful, anyway so she observed me for a while and eventually she told me what she wanted me to do. She says, well, I will be retiring soon. And I said, yes, ma'am, and I said and she said so, I know what I want you to do. I said what is that? And she said, well, well, you're going to run the clinic. I said do what. I was like um okay, um okay. She said so I'll be in her words where I'll be in my office with my door closed, but if you need anything, just knock and come right on in. That was that was the extent of my guidance.
Speaker 2:I always I always think that's either she loves you and thinks the world of you or she doesn't. She does not think the world or doesn't like you. Let's say, because that's a big role, I assume yeah.
Speaker 3:You know what? It was a huge role, helped me as well. But it helped me to, I think, really tune into my leadership skills that maybe I had not always needed in every area. But it's like she said that and something snapped and it's like, okay, I know what to do and I started in. Well, I have my own strategy.
Speaker 3:So for me, I wanted to go into each different area, find out where the weak spots were. So I'd go in different areas of the clinic and kind of observe. I'd also ask the different practitioners kind of, hey, what are the trouble spots, what things you think you do? Well, and then I'd observe, and then I'd take my notes. And then I even wanted to do what they did. I'm giving shots, I'm spinning blood, I'm doing everything except for the ear cleaning my friend wanted me to do. She's like, hey, you want to clean the air? She was a dentist. I said, oh, that's the one I'm going to avoid today.
Speaker 3:But yeah, so I did every you know a lot of the things that the other practitioners did to get a feel, to be in their shoes, right. And then, um then I started developing plans in every area and started implementing policies and procedures so that things could be more streamlined. And it's a funny thing. You were in the military, so I think that you'll appreciate this. So, as I was going through and basic and everything and getting going through MEPS and all that, and one of the things I did quickly learn was that, as much as I love the military, that was a lot of Russian weight and so as the soldiers observed, I guess, that I was, I guess if I don't like this word but in charge in a sense, you know, and they'd come to me oh ma'am, this is the fastest I've ever been in and out. Oh my God, thank you so much. And so that was an awesome, awesome opportunity there in Springfield and I really appreciate that over there, I think it was 1301 MacArthur Boulevard over there in Springfield yeah, yeah, that hurry up and wait.
Speaker 2:It's yeah, just saying it reminds me so much about it.
Speaker 2:It's, you know, if I can go back, you know I really and again, I've heard this from other people too this idea that you know taking, we'll say, concepts or theoretical applications of psychotherapy into other environments, right, not just the patient-client type of role, but more into, like management, like into you know meetings and things like that and organizations, and how do you apply those kind of things, sounds like that's part of what you've done in your past as well, and I really admire that kind of you know application to kind of think of how these skills and how these you know foundational things that we do again in maybe more of an individual micro level, how it can be actually applied in a macro level.
Speaker 2:So do you mind you know, can you know or can you think of any? What led you to that kind of leap or what made you? Or was it that idea, like you said with the lieutenant colonel, which just kind of said now this is your clinic and go with it, and it's kind of a sink or swim type of thing? So was there something else that kind of led you that path?
Speaker 3:You know, as I mentioned? I think no, as you mentioned, I mean, I have been in management before management of retail stores, management of summer camps, management so I've had supervision and leadership roles. I have attended over my life, I guess many trainings and things like that and read many books on such a topic, and it just seemed like the natural thing to do, because if you are, let's say, the dentist, then you know what you know, you know what needs to go on in here and you know what. You probably can tell what's going well may or may not have identified what's not going well, but just my just who I am as an individual is literally a company could hire me.
Speaker 3:I don't need to know anything about the company, but I can see the trouble spots. All I have to do is stand to the side, look around and I can start pointing them out one by one, by one. It's just I don't know what kind of I was born with, that innate something. I don't I mean literally, I mean cause I've gone places and I wouldn't say anything, but I could see this, this, this and this is so. So you know going so well. But then I also observed the 40 things that you know, hey, you know, I don't know, can't explain that.
Speaker 2:No, yeah, and that's yeah. I think you just yeah, whether it's your upbringing or your genetics. Here you just have an innate way of just following your heart, following your gut whichever term you want to kind of use and knowing where your skills can fit best. So a little bit more time here, but I want to ask two more questions specifically, and they're going to kind of be positive and negative, and maybe we will start with the negative so we can finish on the positive. Excuse me, what? What are the barriers or what do you see as barriers currently to doing psychotherapy and practicing those skills out in the world? I mean, what's what? What do you see as kind of limitations or kind of roadblocks that you have to kind of work around?
Speaker 3:Now for me or for nurse practitioners.
Speaker 2:Let's just give from your, I mean, if you want to share about nurse practitioners, but it's. I was kind of looking more for your perspective.
Speaker 3:Okay, sure, I don't know about barriers to practice. I don't mean to open up a can of worms here. Certainly, I wish I'd love to come to the table. I wish that Optum would call me today. I wish that Blue Cross would call me today, I wish that Magellan would call me today. I wish that Aetna would call me today, cigna, I wish they'd call me today.
Speaker 3:I have a solution for their, their crisis of the, the payer crisis. But, at any rate, you know, I, I, I, I love cash paying clients because it's in and out and it's not androgyny. I think that that is one of the. You know, just the insurance, when you call, especially like a new practitioner, right, they, you know you don't ever get to the person. Well, let me say my experience.
Speaker 3:In my experience as a new practitioner years ago oh, you're on, you're on, you're muted, okay, yeah. So in my experience, it's been a challenge to really get through and ask the questions. For example, if I have this list of things that I can bill for or that that you've sent me saying, hey, you can bill for these things and I bill for one, and then you don't, you know, you don't pay my claim, that's a problem. I'm confused. You know you don't pay my claim. That's a problem. I'm confused. So if you gave me a contract and I signed off and then you said, hey, this is your page, you can bill for this. And so I'm like, okay, I did do that and I did that. Okay, and I did this, and then you won't pay me for this.
Speaker 3:So I think one of the barriers is ongoing disconnection between the practitioners and the insurance companies, because I believe that the practitioners want to practice and that we want to see people well and that we want to help help the people that are coming to see us. And so, yeah, I think that that is one of the barriers. I wish that there was more. While we're in health care, we also are in business, and the only business that is to be considered is not the insurance company, and I think that if there was more of a realization that we are in a true partnership, then I think that our voices would be heard at the table and that we could find ways that we could all treat and help and support our base while everyone is still making money. Yep, simplified, yeah, go ahead. That's it.
Speaker 2:No, no, I'm sorry to step on your toes if I am, but I mean, that's been said many times in the podcast. I mean, and yeah, if any insurance companies, people working for insurance are listening, they probably don't like this podcast. I mean, it is, it's one of those things that we really we struggle with and I think you know that's that.
Speaker 2:Going back to nurse practitioners, that's, that's the, that's the push pull.
Speaker 2:That that is driven a bit of this podcast is this idea that there is so much, we'll say easier, convenient, more lucrative financially to do medication routes, so therapy gets minimized or less value because it's reimbursed at a lower rate. But you're right too. I mean this idea that you get blocked by insurances and you sign a contract, like you say, and the insurance has agreed that they're gonna reimburse for this, but then, when push comes to shove and you actually submit that reimbursement, no, that's not what we're gonna do. So, yeah, I agree, get them on the phone and get them, but I, you know, I don't know, it's uh, something with some sort of strong arm and kind of thing needs to happen where we can start to get better reimbursements for for the work that we do and uh, um, and less pushback on just all the details and things like that. So, um, so, let you know, let's do a 90-degree turn and we'll say you know what's the future of psychotherapy look like and what are you optimistic about in the world of psychotherapy?
Speaker 3:I am optimistic just about I am our business has grown to. I think we're in eight states or nine states or something like that, you know. So I am optimistic that more people will get the opportunity to access therapy with people who really care, to access therapy with people who really care I'm not saying other therapists don't care but that really have a deep sense of who they are, what their needs are and just good listeners and want to see them holistically be well, and that definitely starts from the head and it stops at the base of the foot, the soul of the, you know. So I think that, but I think that one of the things recently has been AI and how that's affecting things, and I would say that you know, just chat GPT is really awesome. However, I mean, I would say that it's important that individuals continue to connect with individuals, with other humans, with other people that have heart beating like you do, don't? I mean really, because you know, yeah, we can't. It's not, it's not healthy to have my friend be the only friend. Is chat GPT, because they answer or Google, what is it? My granddaughter was in here on one of my Google devices she's young, you know. She's playing a game with it and telling it what to do and say, and it's playing a game with her and all this kind of stuff, which is cool. That's cool. But we need to make human friends and we need to be amongst other humans and that part is very vital. And you might have an iMac or an iPhone or an iThis or an iThat. Come out of your egocentric space and move and to meet people and humans and touch others. This is very important. When we lose contact with people, our humanity gets to become a little less and less. So it's very important that we're encouraging people to meet people, to laugh to just, you know, enjoy life and take it one day at a time.
Speaker 3:So, psychotherapy, hopefully, people coming together, working together, joining forces to, hopefully, with insurance companies, to find a great way to make things well and good for the insurance providers, insurance companies as well as the providers. I love to work together. Let's work together. You know, hopefully government can also come in and help us to move this forward so that more people can be seen. And when we talk about socialist socialism and I know, I think we have time here or something, but I've had many clients out of the country and it's not better. You know, I've heard clients say it's taken me six months to get in. It's taken me nine months. So social medicine is not the answer. Um, if you think you have a long time now in especially like some of the clients I see in Delaware, rhode Island, and you've got to go to mass and other places to get care, um, if you think the wait's long now let's go to social medicine. That's a no-go.
Speaker 3:I'm done, I'm off the hot horse. No, no, you're good.
Speaker 2:No, it's, you know, it's there's. You know, I think there's a lot of models out there. I think we can do better on probably every model that's out there. I mean, as we talk about integrative forms of psychotherapy, there's probably an integrative form of reimbursement and models. I mean this, the push-pull between doing the thing that we love and care about and, like you said too and it's true, it's a business but you know, combining those two worlds is they clash. You know right, Sometimes it's oil and water, for sure, but this has been great. Thank you again.
Speaker 2:You caught me on mute, Excuse me, you caught me on mute and I was trying to, you know, actually practice your, your name again, which I again I must. I think I'm getting a panic attack just thinking about it. Shanna Banana is what you told me, his family. So I'm just gonna say Shanna Banana, Trahan, thank you. Thank you for this. This is good and I appreciate your time and reaching out. Again, I hope this inspires some other people Maybe reach out to kind of just be on this podcast too. Let's get together, let's share some more things that we all kind of love to do. And again, remember Shanna Banana's book, Anxiety Fix book. Again, I'll have a link in the podcast episode here, so so much looking forward to it. So, thank you. Look forward to another episode coming out soon on Pep Lau's Ghost. This has been your host, Dan Wiesman, and, yeah, we'll see you in the next episode. Thank you so much.
Speaker 3:Thanks so much, Dan. Thank you so much, Diane.
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